FRFR for Modeler which G66 Speaker do you recommend? (2024)

i need a new speaker for my modeler and became aware of the Elis 8 and MF 10 through your videos. I have also seen the new Elis 8 Pro/M.
Possibly you can help me with the choice.
I need it for sound adjustments at home, it is important that the sound I adjust at home is close to the PA sound in the rehearsal room, so that I only have to make minimal adjustments. Also, the speaker should be loud enough to be able to rehearse without a PA. Which model do you think would be the right one?

1x Elis 8 active vs Elis 8 Stereo Bundle vs 1x Elis 8 Pro/M vs 1x MF 10 active

Thanks in advance

The Elis and MF speakers would not be my first choice for home use because they’re designed for stage use. They need to run pretty loud to get their best sound and family and neighbors tend to get a bit upset. With speakers designed for stage use we turn them up loud and stand a distance away from them. Those are great speakers though, for their intended purpose.

There are many desktop monitors designed to sound great when sitting close to them. Because you are close you don’t need as much volume, avoiding irritating family and neighbors.

The room you are in will affect the sound too. Trying to make a bedroom sound like a rehearsal space or a club requires adjusting the acoustics.

The forum is full of threads asking similar questions so I’d search for those to get ideas.

Polluxx said:

i need a new speaker for my modeler and became aware of the Elis 8 and MF 10 through your videos. I have also seen the new Elis 8 Pro/M.
Possibly you can help me with the choice.
I need it for sound adjustments at home, it is important that the sound I adjust at home is close to the PA sound in the rehearsal room, so that I only have to make minimal adjustments. Also, the speaker should be loud enough to be able to rehearse without a PA. Which model do you think would be the right one?

1x Elis 8 active vs Elis 8 Stereo Bundle vs 1x Elis 8 Pro/M vs 1x MF 10 active

Thanks in advance

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you started 4 different topics with the same question?

Roland said:

I’d suggest that the problem is the rehearsal room PA. Even if your band has its own PA, and uses it at every gig, there will need to be EQ adjustments to suit the venue. One way of tackling this is to use Output1 for your monitoring, and Output2 for the PA feed. You can use different Global EQs for each. An alternative is to use IEMs at home and when performing. Cooper Carter recommends setting up your presets for your IEMs, and let someone else worry about the PA.

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The PA is absolutely neutral, let everything run over it even the second guitarist with his Kemper only with me there is deviation and I blame the Headrush. Need at home a speaker that also sounds neutral, is that with the Elis and MF10 the case? The Yamaha DXR10 should also not be bad.

Polluxx said:

The PA is absolutely neutral, let everything run over it even the second guitarist with his Kemper only with me there is deviation and I blame the Headrush. Need at home a speaker that also sounds neutral, is that with the Elis and MF10 the case? The Yamaha DXR10 should also not be bad.

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Pretty sure the Yamaha DRX has a pronounced mid thing going on which is why some like it! The MF10 seems like a good choice! all of the clips that Marco has posed up in a live setting sound really good!

No matter which good solution you run with It will still not change the issue of different venue acoustics for your monitoring, every stage will sound different thats just how it is. The use of global EQ'ing for the different OP's will help with that! Also when building your presets do so at gig volume levels! If you don't do anything else do that you can thank me after your gig is over .

How does the elis 8 stereo bundle compare to one mf10 in terms of volume? Somehow the stereo bundle Sounds more practical to me because you are more flexible.

And I read that the mf10 should sound very dark, is the sound of the elis 8 exactly the same?

Polluxx said:

How does the elis 8 stereo bundle compare to one mf10 in terms of volume?

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Obviously the MF10 is louder than the ELIS.8. One FM10 vs. two ELIS.8 is an uneven comparison. Two 10" speakers have more punch and a bit better low end but the ELIS are surprising for what they'll put out. Marco Fanton was involved in designing both IIRC.

Polluxx said:

And I read that the mf10 should sound very dark, is the sound of the elis 8 exactly the same?

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I can't comment on the MF10, but the ELIS.8 sounded wonderful with my rig, without any adjustments. I'd doubt that the MF10 is darker than other 10" cabinets; RED SOUND does a nice job on their designs, and the videos of them loud don't sound dark.

Marco Fanton has some good videos demoing both models. He uses them both for live work, and his demos show them in his studio. He is very experienced, and I'd trust his opinions.

Polluxx said:

Sry maybe a bug, have edited a few times

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Editing works very well in my experience.

Sixstring said:

Also when building your presets do so at gig volume levels!

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^THIS^

Read Fletcher-Munson if you don't understand why.

Greg Ferguson said:

^THIS^

Read Fletcher-Munson if you don't understand why.

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I know that and that's how I do it, I can be loud at home

Polluxx said:

How does the elis 8 stereo bundle compare to one mf10 in terms of volume? Somehow the stereo bundle Sounds more practical to me because you are more flexible.

And I read that the mf10 should sound very dark, is the sound of the elis 8 exactly the same?

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You might start a private conversation with Marco and ask! I think he would be able to give a more informed answer.

Click here! Comparison between Elis 8 and MF 10

Sashman said:

Read my comparison between the Elis 8 and MF10.
You can find it via the search Funktion.
It should answer all your questions.
You can PM me as well if you need more information.
I have both, Elis 8 Stereo Setup and MF10 Stereo Setup.

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I had also read through it before but some questions are still open for me. Would like to set about it at home sounds without sounding enormously different later on a gig. Of course it depends on the environment and the volume etc, that's already clear to me, but the sound so not sound fundamentally different. You write yourself that you suddenly like presets that you didn't like at all before, that's exactly what I don't want to experience.
Its not good if I sound great over the Elis 8 or MF10 but over our rehearsal room PA and on gigs for it very bad.
I'm not talking about slight adjustments to the highs and lows via the global eq, that can always be readjusted

Likewise, I would like to know where you can expect more power, Elis 8 stereo bundle or a MF10 so mono. Or the power of the Elis 8 in the bundle increases exponentially so 360 watts?

Polluxx said:

Likewise, I would like to know where you can expect more power, Elis 8 stereo bundle or a MF10 so mono. Or the power of the Elis 8 in the bundle increases exponentially so 360 watts?

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You need to understand your requirements better or articulate them with more detail.

You seem to have started with the solution ahead of understanding your needs.

Also, if you would be helpful if you understood power, sound pressure and human hearing a little better.

I.e. What do you think happens when you double the watts to a transducer, wrt sound pressure and what you hear/experience?

Polluxx said:

I had also read through it before but some questions are still open for me. Would like to set about it at home sounds without sounding enormously different later on a gig. Of course it depends on the environment and the volume etc, that's already clear to me, but the sound so not sound fundamentally different. You write yourself that you suddenly like presets that you didn't like at all before, that's exactly what I don't want to experience.
Its not good if I sound great over the Elis 8 or MF10 but over our rehearsal room PA and on gigs for it very bad.
I'm not talking about slight adjustments to the highs and lows via the global eq, that can always be readjusted

Likewise, I would like to know where you can expect more power, Elis 8 stereo bundle or a MF10 so mono. Or the power of the Elis 8 in the bundle increases exponentially so 360 watts?

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It always depends on what you are looking for.
Most important thing is that you have to try out as many FRFR Speskers as you can.
I always dial in my presets at very high volume.
The Elis8 and MF10 are not made for home use, of course you can use them but they are made for higher volume where they really shine.
If you are searching for a home solution, I would go with Studio Monitors.

You will definitely sound different than you PA with any other FRFR speaker just because every speaker from a different manufacturer in a different housing does sound different.

These are two different things
One thing is your stage sound which you should care for.
And the other thing is the PA which the sound guy should care for.
They will always sound different unless you are using the same speakers that are your PA.

You're all right.
I need a speaker that sounds as good quietly as it does loudly, and I believe the Elis 8 and MF10 both head towards guitar amp.

Maybe I should lean more towards the Yamaha DXR10 then. It's a bit of a shame; the Elis do have a certain charm to them.